Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/16/1999 01:36 PM Senate L&C

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CHAIRMAN MACKIE called the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee                                                                  
meeting to order at 1:36 p.m. and announced SB 53 to be up for                                                                  
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          SB 53-EMPLOYMENT PREFERENCE FOR NAT'L GUARD                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY, sponsor, explained that this issue was brought to                                                                
him by the Alaska National Guard Officers' Association and the                                                                  
Alaska National Guard Enlisted Association and was first introduced                                                             
as legislation in 1989.  It was recently raised as an issue again                                                               
because the Alaska National Guard are running into problems with                                                                
recruiting and retention.  He noted there is a companion bill                                                                   
sponsored by Representative Morgan in the House.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRIS NELSON, staff for the Joint Committee on Military Bases                                                               
in Alaska, stated in Fiscal Year 1998 (FY98), 429 soldiers left the                                                             
Alaska National Guard.  When any organization loses people in mid-                                                              
career, they are losing people with institutional memory and                                                                    
experience, the very best people.  A suggestion from the leaders of                                                             
the National Guard Associations is to provide a three-point                                                                     
incentive on the State's civil service exam to encourage Guard                                                                  
members to maintain their active status.  This also provides the                                                                
State with the opportunity to get employees into other state                                                                    
service who are mature, disciplined, and team players.  These                                                                   
people are drug-free and meet all the other requirements the                                                                    
military imposes on its work force.  It's a win-win situation to                                                                
for the Guard and the State of Alaska to have these people continue                                                             
to serve in the National Guard and to seek employment with the                                                                  
State of Alaska and other agencies.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE asked Mr. Nelson to explain how this would work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON responded that typically an airman would enlist in the                                                               
Guard for a period of six years and an officer has an initial                                                                   
obligation of about the same thing.  SB 53 waits until someone has                                                              
been in eight years; at which point they have a commitment to the                                                               
Guard, have been through their basic and AIT training, their branch                                                             
officer basic course and advanced courses.  These people will                                                                   
typically be E5's and E6's and O3's and O4's.  This is the                                                                      
beginning of their most productive years for the Guard.  At that                                                                
point, a lot of people who enlisted in the Guard when they were 18,                                                             
19, and 20 years old, have begun families and careers, which                                                                    
pressures them to consider whether they have enough time for the                                                                
Guard.  The Guard wants them to continue being part of their                                                                    
family, as well, and also want to encourage them to have stable                                                                 
employment.  One of the ways to do that is to encourage them to                                                                 
work for other agencies of the State.  SB 53 provides a three-point                                                             
bonus for those veterans.  To qualify for the bonus, they must be                                                               
active members of the Guard and must have served eight years.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE asked how much of an advantage that would be.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON answered that it is less than the five-point bonus given                                                             
to Alaskans who are combat veterans or who have been prisoners of                                                               
war, but it is significant enough to make it possible for members                                                               
to achieve employment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE said that veterans currently receive five points;                                                               
disabled veterans and prisoners of war received 10 points.  He                                                                  
asked if points accumulate for people who fit several different                                                                 
categories.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON said, no, a person gets the highest number of points                                                                 
they qualify for.  He added that this bill would exclusively affect                                                             
people who have enlisted and served in the Guard exclusively.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY asked what the total points available on an                                                                      
examination are.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE said they would find out.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 147                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE GAZAWAY, President, Alaska National Guard Enlisted                                                                    
Association, summarized his position which he had  also presented                                                               
in a letter before the Committee.  He said he was a member of the                                                               
Guard for 18 years as an NCO.  He sees SB 53 as a retention tool,                                                               
though three points is not an overwhelming endorsement.  It is more                                                             
than a token, however, because it will make a National Guard member                                                             
stand out and give him or her a chance to get an interview.  This                                                               
is an appropriate action for the State, because the Guard is a                                                                  
State asset.  This bill encourages  midlevel management and skilled                                                             
technicians to stay on the job when there are lots of incentives to                                                             
leave, like the increased burden that military downsizing has                                                                   
placed upon the average Guardsmen.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAZAWAY said that our nation has become increasingly dependent                                                              
on the Guard and Reserves, sending them to help out in situations                                                               
like Hurricane Mitch.  Too often when they come back, they have a                                                               
hard time finding work.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE GABRYS, President, Alaska National Guard Officers                                                                     
Association, said he recently retired as a Lieutenant Colonel with                                                              
five years of active service and 15 years in the Alaska Army                                                                    
National Guard.  He said he sent a letter recently to Senator Kelly                                                             
supporting SB 53.  Most jobs for state application  generally have                                                              
a possible score of 100 points.  A preference of three points is                                                                
less than what is given to veterans, but those are veterans that                                                                
served during a period of war, not necessarily those participating                                                              
in combat.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained that the National Guard role is much different now                                                                 
than in years past.  The active Army cannot make any major                                                                      
deployment without getting some support from the National Guard                                                                 
where air craft, vehicle mechanics, and material handlers are now                                                               
located.  The Guardsmen will go individually or as a unit, but it                                                               
many cases, it's a voluntary call-up.  Because of that, they don't                                                              
share some of the same benefits they would get under full                                                                       
mobilization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GABRYS said the three points is not intended to compete with                                                                
the service that's provided by those who did perform during a                                                                   
period of war or were a POW or had a service related disability.                                                                
That three points recognizes the service they provided to both the                                                              
State and the nation.  The National Guard in Alaska is being called                                                             
upon more and more frequently to support our natural disasters in                                                               
the State.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He clarified that the three point preference does not force the                                                                 
selecting supervisor to hire that particular Guard or veteran, but                                                              
only assists the applicant with preference points in ranking high                                                               
enough to get an interview.  The selecting supervisor can then                                                                  
select from the top five categories.  Assuming 100 is the maximum                                                               
number of points, a disabled veteran would have 110 which would be                                                              
the top category and it would work down from there.  If a disabled                                                              
vet scored 90 on the test, he would have a score of 100.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 208                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY asked if under the definition of a federal veteran,                                                               
a person would have to serve at specific times, for instance WWII,                                                              
the Korean War, Vietnam, or Desert Storm, in order to be qualified                                                              
as a veteran.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GABRYS answered he thought that was correct and he thought the                                                              
State's definition would be a period of service before 1976, the                                                                
Vietnam era.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY responded that there are almost no veterans left from                                                             
WWII and Korea that are in the labor market.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said he didn't see these dates in the statute.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said it was somewhere else and he was surprised that                                                              
Desert Storm isn't included.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GABRYS said the 1976 date was Vietnam and he thought the window                                                             
should have been opened again for Desert Storm.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY commented that the youngest guys, if they went to                                                                 
Vietnam, would be about 43 now and there aren't as many preferences                                                             
in play now as there were 20 years ago.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY asked to find where the dates are defined.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said they would find it.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAZAWAY said he thought the dates were defined in federal                                                                   
legislation and  he thought Desert Storm was covered.  The                                                                      
definition allows for people who served in a direct capacity.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONELY said he wanted to see where the State rule referred                                                              
to the federal rule.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE announced a recess at 1:55 p.m. to allow for a fire                                                             
alarm.  He called the meeting back to order at 2:10 p.m. and noted                                                              
that the same quorum was present.  He stated that Senator Donley's                                                              
question had been answered.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY moved to pass SB 53 from committee with individual                                                                
recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                               

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